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	<title>Comments on: Are you being lied to about Pirates?</title>
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		<title>By: Joel Horn</title>
		<link>http://joelhorn.com/2009/04/15/are-you-being-lied-to-about-pirates/comment-page-1/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with you (well said by the way) and I hope that Obama folks are at least checking this out but holding a relief worker at gunpoint and asking for $2 million doesn&#039;t help their cause very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with you (well said by the way) and I hope that Obama folks are at least checking this out but holding a relief worker at gunpoint and asking for $2 million doesn&#8217;t help their cause very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://joelhorn.com/2009/04/15/are-you-being-lied-to-about-pirates/comment-page-1/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somalia is a failed state.  Its people are in desperate straits.  I accept the possibility that people are dumping toxic waste in their waters (though I wonder why they don&#039;t just dump it in non-territorial waters) and that foreigners are overfishing their territorial waters (though, as an aside, I would be more inclined to believe the assertions if the reporter had included some documentation on either point).  None of that gives the pirates a &quot;Robin Hood&quot; or a &quot;George Washington&quot; patina of acceptability to me.

The International Chamber of Commerce has a live map of piracy reports (http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option=com_fabrik&amp;view=visualization&amp;controller=visualization.googlemap&amp;Itemid=219).  Looking over the data there, it appears that a majority of the attacks in the Gulf of Aden are far, far closer to the coast of Yemen than Somalia.  Similarly, most of the ones along Somalia&#039;s eastern coast are far beyond anyone&#039;s reasonable definition of territorial waters.  Accordingly, I&#039;m not buying the theory that they are being done &quot;as a form of national defence of the country’s territorial waters.&quot;  

I suspect the reason piracy is popular in Somalia - if it is - is not because of a sense of national outrage at what&#039;s being done to their coastal waters; it&#039;s because it pays and little else does in that part of the world.  The economy of Somalia is no better off than its government and even assuming the vast majority of each ransom payment goes into the pockets of a few small number of warlords and criminals, a little still trickles down to the general population.  Not much else does even that.

One can debate whose fault it is that Somalia collapsed or whether other nations should have - or could have - intervened to help the people there.  I don&#039;t accept, though, that either failing justifies piracy or that the primary motivation of these individuals is defense of their homelands.  These are not the 21st century equivalents of John Paul Jones attacking British ships off the coast of Ireland.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somalia is a failed state.  Its people are in desperate straits.  I accept the possibility that people are dumping toxic waste in their waters (though I wonder why they don&#8217;t just dump it in non-territorial waters) and that foreigners are overfishing their territorial waters (though, as an aside, I would be more inclined to believe the assertions if the reporter had included some documentation on either point).  None of that gives the pirates a &#8220;Robin Hood&#8221; or a &#8220;George Washington&#8221; patina of acceptability to me.</p>
<p>The International Chamber of Commerce has a live map of piracy reports (<a href="http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option=com_fabrik&#038;view=visualization&#038;controller=visualization.googlemap&#038;Itemid=219" rel="nofollow">http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option=com_fabrik&#038;view=visualization&#038;controller=visualization.googlemap&#038;Itemid=219</a>).  Looking over the data there, it appears that a majority of the attacks in the Gulf of Aden are far, far closer to the coast of Yemen than Somalia.  Similarly, most of the ones along Somalia&#8217;s eastern coast are far beyond anyone&#8217;s reasonable definition of territorial waters.  Accordingly, I&#8217;m not buying the theory that they are being done &#8220;as a form of national defence of the country’s territorial waters.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I suspect the reason piracy is popular in Somalia &#8211; if it is &#8211; is not because of a sense of national outrage at what&#8217;s being done to their coastal waters; it&#8217;s because it pays and little else does in that part of the world.  The economy of Somalia is no better off than its government and even assuming the vast majority of each ransom payment goes into the pockets of a few small number of warlords and criminals, a little still trickles down to the general population.  Not much else does even that.</p>
<p>One can debate whose fault it is that Somalia collapsed or whether other nations should have &#8211; or could have &#8211; intervened to help the people there.  I don&#8217;t accept, though, that either failing justifies piracy or that the primary motivation of these individuals is defense of their homelands.  These are not the 21st century equivalents of John Paul Jones attacking British ships off the coast of Ireland.</p>
<p>Austin</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be nice to know the truth.</description>
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		<title>By: Fussbucket</title>
		<link>http://joelhorn.com/2009/04/15/are-you-being-lied-to-about-pirates/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Fussbucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting article! Thanks for posting it Joel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting article! Thanks for posting it Joel.</p>
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